Who is up for trading besides Kerr, Cousins, Kosi, Prismall, Knights, Rutten, Warnock, Boyle and possibly Mundy.

I'd like to see them all neatly laid out on the table and to look at who might be of value to the Pies and who might be able to be traded for players and draft picks to close some of those deals.

Quite obviously we need a mid (or two if Burns is going) but how to achieve that. A tocuh of Boyle might be insurance for any future problems with Ruslings shoulders or Rutten to stabilise the back.

Can people help flesh out the draft and trade options?

Doubtfully Prismall now.

Cousins might be your best bet from that list tho.

I'd like to see the Pies get Knights and Jed Addcock and I'd give up B Johnson, Egan and our 2nd and 3rd round draft picks to get them. Rusling could also be in the mix if we could keep our 2nd rounder. NO BOYLE!there is no room for him in our forward line. Rutten looked slow this year, so I'd stick with Presti and N Brown.

Others who I have heard might come up for trade are J Griffin, B Reilly, Rischitelli, J Russell, J Carr, R Crowley?, Djerrkura?, Varcoe, S Byrnes, D Johnson?, Tenace,
Joel Corey(back2WA),B Dowler,M Thorp??,B Muston??, Rivers,Robertson?, L Hansen?, L Brown?, S Watt, Salopek??, N Krakouer,R Gray, T Chaplin???,D White, Surjan,
N lonie, D Brogan??, Pettifer, J King, Danny Meyer, J Schulz, Tambling???, X Clarke??, R Clarke??, Del Santo????, J Bolton, N Davis, Barlow?, B McKinley, J Graham?,
M Rosa??,M Spangher??, Armstrong?, A Hanson, F Ray, D Addison?, Skipper, Street, C Wight?.
Not to sure on the ones with ? next to them and some of these guys will get delisted/retire.
Players are in club order.

If Boyle goes through pre season draft and not picked up, won't hurt to pick up 4 a song if Rocca retires and Ruslings shoulders go belly-up. again.

Generally though I'm very happy with our back line and forward line. Especially if the big Rockman and Rus come back in and Anthony can go to the backline. Thoolen may also become a key position player in a few years (but that's crystal balling).

We therefore only really need mids (presuming Shaw and Didak stay on).

Dal Santo is a bit of a seagull and too soft. Carr is a limpet but not an extractor. Don't know enough about types like Reilly. Thoughts?

[quote="Kid Handsome"]If Boyle goes through pre season draft and not picked up, won't hurt to pick up 4 a song if Rocca retires and Ruslings shoulders go belly-up. again.

Generally though I'm very happy with our back line and forward line. Especially if the big Rockman and Rus come back in and Anthony can go to the backline. Thoolen may also become a key position player in a few years (but that's crystal balling).

We therefore only really need mids (presuming Shaw and Didak stay on).

Dal Santo is a bit of a seagull and too soft. Carr is a limpet but not an extractor. Don't know enough about types like Reilly. Thoughts?[/quot

I would like to see Ried, Cloke and Dawes play key forward for us when Rocca goes, no room for Boyle. I don't like him at all.
Anthony could be a swing man like Hunter from WCE, I hope.
Not sure if Knights is the hard nut you think we need, but his kicking is great and if we can get Addcock as well then H Shaw could go into the midfield and play that role.
I agree Del Santo is too soft and we have Pendles who is going to be better than him, Carr is too old/slow and we have O'bree for that.
Rischitelli could work or mabye Crowley? we wouldn't want to pay too much for them though and same with Reilly, he is more of a tagger,so he could replace B Holland?
I'd look at Chaplin,Watt and Ed Barlow if you want tall defenders.
We went after Rosa in the Tarrant trade, so he is a slight chance and the club has been linked with Ben McKinley this year, but I don't think we need him, he plays FF.
Also what is a limpet? I haven't heard that one before.

Limpet = Kid Handsome's word for tagger.

Yeah, I don't think too many hard players with good skills are on the radar for us, but here's hoping.

Crowley is an interesting one - pies supporter growing up, fairly tough but I don't think gets enough ball.

Knights might be the man, Rosa is good too. Only problem with these guys is maybe not best with first hands on the ball.

Yeah it's hard to find an in and under type who can get 25 touches a game like Kerr or Luke Ball(at his best), but I think Heath Shaw could learn to play that role, he wins the ball and has great ariel courage. Also Marty Clarke has nearly taken his spot and if we could get Addcock he can go into the midfield or play running halfback, to give us more options. Knights would take the pressure right off Swan and Pendleburry, but would stop Daisy from getting much of a go in the centre. Mabye Thomas can only play halforward for now? He is very inconsistant.
I think Rosa might be more of an outside mid. than Knights. Rosa is still skinny, while Knights is more developed. They are the same age, both born in 86. I like Knights much better.

All I can say is Adcock and Knights sounds awesome. Adcock has got a nice little bit of hardness - something we haven't had since Mr Molloy departed.

That's some fine strategising there Dave I must say. A knights / Adcock combo would be enormous. Clarke at half back to replace Shaw (imagine anthony in the backline too with his awesome kicking boot as well) and Heath into the middle. I like that midfield choice - Swan, Pendlebury, Knights, Shaw, Adcock, Davis, O'bree. If you could get those huys in the draft, I'd also go for J White in the psd.

J White instead of Ben Cousins then. If we get Knights/Adcock?
Both are Vic boys, but Adcock my want to stay under Vossy.

I hope somone from the club sees this and gets on to it quick smart.

Thomson from Port was pick 11 in the 04 draft but can't get a run against the likes of the burgoynes, cassisi, cornes etc.. is by all reports a tough in and under type and you would get him for nicks, could be worth a look and maybe better than another 18 yr old. he wants to come back to victoria.

I'm not sure if he is good enough for AFL, has had medical issues? not sure what though. Mabye get him in the PSD.

Been mulling this over after reading pie-knight article.

Here's my dream scenario - i.e. something that's possible and desirable.

Delist

D Stanley

Retire

Wakelin
Lonie
Burns (depending on suitable trade)

Trade
Johnson (depending on suitable trade)
R Shaw
Egan
Holland
Cox (depending on suitable trade)
Cook (depending on suitable trade)

Some trades/retirements will depend on who we might be able to pick up. If looks like we might be able to nab Cousins then maybe Burns should retire. I'd also like to see Collingwood try for Adcock or Knights as it seems Kerr might cost too much. Maybe offer Crows either Johnson / Cox / Cook and 2nd round pick for Knights. If Woods can land Knightsin draft and Cousins in pre season draft, then should see if we can trade/delist Bryan and pick up White with a late pick in the draft. White wasn't dropped because of poor form at Melbourne but to blood the young rucks - his form was pretty good until then and will be another help for Wood's development. His inclusion would depend on picking up 2 high calibre mids like Cousins and Knights / Adcock who he can tap out to.

Imagine this line-up:

Rusling, Rocca, Cloke
Didak, Medhurst, Thomas

Cousins, Swan, Knights, Pendlebury, Davis

Fraser

Anthony, Brown, O'Brien
Goldsack, H Shaw, Clarke

Bench: White, Maxwell, O'Bree, Dick

In reserve: Lockyer, Prestigiacomo, Reid, Dawes, McCarthy, Wood, Toovey, Barham, McCaffer, Thoolen, Iles, Dick, Wellingham, Dyas, pick 11 and a few others

[quote="Kid Handsome"]Been mulling this over after reading pie-knight article.

Here's my dream scenario - i.e. something that's possible and desirable.

Delist

D Stanley

Retire

Wakelin
Lonie
Burns (depending on suitable trade)

Trade
Johnson (depending on suitable trade)
R Shaw
Egan
Holland
Cox (depending on suitable trade)
Cook (depending on suitable trade)

Some trades/retirements will depend on who we might be able to pick up. If looks like we might be able to nab Cousins then maybe Burns should retire. I'd also like to see Collingwood try for Adcock or Knights as it seems Kerr might cost too much. Maybe offer Crows either Johnson / Cox / Cook and 2nd round pick for Knights. If Woods can land Knightsin draft and Cousins in pre season draft, then should see if we can trade/delist Bryan and pick up White with a late pick in the draft. White wasn't dropped because of poor form at Melbourne but to blood the young rucks - his form was pretty good until then and will be another help for Wood's development. His inclusion would depend on picking up 2 high calibre mids like Cousins and Knights / Adcock who he can tap out to.

I reckon we only need 3 draft picks if we can get Cousins, Taylor and either Knights or Adcock. I want to keep pick 11 and two out of 29,45,61 and 77.
If we could get even a 3rd rounder each for Johnson and Egan, then I think the deals can be done. I don't like the idea of trading Cox/Cook, Cox has some value in the market, but not much for Cook. Stanley has to stay, he's only 21 or so and he could win the VFL B&F, big future I think. As for the Shaws, I'd be very sad to see Rhyce or Heath go to another club. Rhyce cost us a pick 19, we'd never get anything like that back.
What about this, We get 3rd rounders for Johnson and Egan, say from Sydney and Melbourne for example. That would give us picks 11,29,35,45,46,61 and 77. We would then trade picks 29 and 61 for Knights and 35 and 46 for Taylor. That leaves us with 11 and 45 to use on the best kids available and 77 can be for Scott Reed, from the N.S.W. program. We grab Cousins in the PSD. and that fills our list.
Only 6 sould go, Wakelin, Lonie, Holland (retire)
Johnson and Egan (Trade)
Chris Bryan (Delisted or traded if anyone wants him)

Only 6 should come in, picks 11, 44 and Scott Reed (Draft)
Taylor and Knights/Adcock (Trade)
Ben Cousins (Psd)

Only 6 sould go, Wakelin, Lonie, Holland (retire)
Johnson and Egan (Trade)
Chris Bryan (Delisted or traded if anyone wants him)

Only 6 should come in, picks 11, 44 and Scott Reed (Draft)
Taylor and Knights/Adcock (Trade)
Ben Cousins (Psd)[/quote]

I had it all worked out, but I forgot our rookies Wellingham and MaCaffer, they are both ready for the senior list. Maybe we could get them to stay on the rookie list for 1 more year, they would more than likely still get a game if we had Rocca,Burns,Cousins,Presti and possibly White on the senior list.

Does anyone know if they are too old for the rookie list next year? Caf was born 29/2/1988 and Sharrod on 7/7/1988, so they both turn 20 this year. Is it ok to be on the rookie list in the same year that you turn 21? I'm not sure about the rules on rookies.

I'm sure someone - maybe Dave - said that Crowley might be up for trade. He's only 24, was a Woods supporter as a kid and adds a bit of toughness.

I'd prefer to pick up cousins and Knights, but if not possible, cousins and crowley could be okay. Maybe if we traded Johnson and Pick 44 we could get Crowley. To get knights i reckon we'd have to trade our second pick and Johnson, but with a crowley deal we could keep our first two picks (12 & 28), picking crowley up with pick 44.

I understand swans are after White possibly, but Brogan is a serviceable ruckman on the market too from memory. I reckon we could pick up one of those two with pick 76, preferencing white if available, Brogan if White's taken. I think we should try and trade trade Rhyce Shaw and pick 60 for Lions pick 39, then trade that pick to hawthorn for Taylor.

Finally we get Cousins in pre season draft.

In this scenarios we would end up with:

Pick 12
Pick 28
Taylor
Crowley
White / Brogan
Cousins

I reckon you are ripping those other clubs off with some of those deals Kid and us with the R shaw one. I did say Crowley was up for trade, but it was just because he's a Vic boy playing for Freo and they all seem to be coming home. I haven't heard much about him in the media and he could be contracted for all I know, having said that, if Freo were offered a good deal, they'd take it. Bit of a long shot though really, I think they would want a 2nd round pick for Crowley at least. Same with Port and Brogan, they'd want a pick inside 35 for him. As for Taylor at the Hawks, one hawk fan was talking about Boyle and Taylor for Didak. But they do rate him and if we were to go after Taylor then Tigers,Saints,Blues and Doggies would all try and out bid us. I'm leaning towards White, because we can out bid Sydney and they seem like the only other team after him. We need R Shaws pace I reckon and the Lions under Vossy wont want him. Have a look at my other post in the List changes announced topic, where I've worked out my Magpie mega trade. What do you think?

WESTERN Bulldogs' Farren Ray, who was dropped for the team's losing preliminary final, will decide this morning whether to quit the Dogs.

The lightly built midfielder will meet his manager, Rick Olarenshaw, to consider whether to seek a trade or remain at the Bulldogs.

Ray, the No. 4 pick in the 2003 draft, met with coach Rodney Eade on Tuesday and was told he was still wanted at Whitten Oval.

do you think he would benefit the Pies???

I don't know enough about him but I read that he is an outside receiver. I think the pies have enough of these. We need a couple in and under players to get the ball out. I hate Hawthorn but watching Sam Mitchell get the ball out to his team mates is a pleasure. Pity he's not a Freo player cause they would probably give him to us in exchange for Byran and pick 150.

ok, yeah we don't me more outside players, we need some mongrel like Kerr etc.

could always try west for a year